What is Liquid Waste?

Michael Organ: “Today’s episode features an interview with Stanley Janicki, Chief Commercial Officer of Sedron Technologies, a purpose-driven company that has developed a revolutionary system for processing liquid waste. Stanley, I shuddered to ask, but what is liquid waste?”

Stanley Janicki: “In the world of Sedron, really what (we’re) focused on is municipal biosolids waste. This is the residuals that come off the back of wastewater treatment plants. When you flush your toilet, where does it go? Eventually it becomes biosolids. That’s what we process.

The other world that we’re in is the world of dairy and agricultural waste. So after the cow goes to the bathroom, that’s what we end-up taking. That is what we treat as liquid waste.

There’s a wide range of other liquid waste out there that we’re planning to tackle in the future, but those are the two (types of liquid waste) that we’re really after today because they also make the biggest impact.

There’s 300 and some million humans in the U.S. That’s a lot of liquid waste.”

Why You Should Care

Michael Organ: ”You’re going after the biggest opportunities to make a difference. That said, I’m guessing that none of our listeners woke-up this morning planning to learn about innovations in processing poop. So why should they care?”

Algae Blooms

Stanley Janicki: “The reason they should care is one of the largest problems facing municipalities today (e.g., Florida): Algae blooms. These algae blooms destroy the beaches; trillions of dollars in real estate in Florida.

What’s causing those algae blooms? It’s nitrogen and phosphorus pollution, where excess nutrients get into the waterways and those nutrients cause algae blooms. Excess nutrients come from one major place: the land application of biosolids.

The other reason they should really care is PFAS. PFAS are forever chemicals. PFAS in your food supply comes from the land application of biosolids on fields.

Those two reasons are reasons they should really care: Nutrient pollution (and) land application of biosolids. Over application of these things causes incredibly deleterious impact to the environment.”

Michael Organ: ”I’ve gone through my life living happily without ever thinking about algae blooms or PFAS. What impact do they have on me?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Do you know what an algae bloom is?”

Michael Organ: ”I think it looks kind of green. But, assume I don’t.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Let’s dive into it.”

Michael Organ: ”Sure.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Algae is like a bacteria plant the grows. If you get too much nitrogen and phosphorus in water, the algae grows like crazy. A waterway or a lake will turn green and then you have a scum layer on the top that’s the algae bloom.

The problem is the algae bloom grows so fast that it then runs out of nutrients and dies. When it does that, it starts to rot. And when it’s rotting, it consumes all the oxygen in the water. So now all-of-a-sudden, all the fish die.

Something the size of the Indian River lagoon: You’re getting fish kills of that scale. You’re getting algae blooms of that scale. You can smell it from 500 miles away.

When that happens, the tourism dies. The local economy dies. Home values plummet. You impact the livelihoods of local people. And these are the sorts of things that oftentimes, once that happens, it can be very difficult to undo.”

Michael Organ: ”As someone who lives in an urban area, and does not have an income which depends on tourism or fishing, and don’t know somebody who does: Is this a somebody else’s problem or is this a me problem too?”

Stanley Janicki: ”It’s really a you problem too. We should all care about our environment. Nutrient pollution is widespread in many major waterways in the U.S. Whether it’s the Great Lakes, whether it’s the Finger Lakes up in New York, whether it’s Lake Champlain, whether it’s waterways down in Florida, Puget Sound, Chesapeake Bay, (and) Bay Area. All greatly impact the livelihoods of people. So the idea of capturing the nutrients out, is what our singular focus is on those two main waste streams.

Michael Organ: ”Got it. It sounds like a lot of potential for good.”

Stanley Janicki: ”And in a financially sustainable way, where we’re making good returns, we can take those nasty things going into the environment — take them out — and produce carbon negative commodities that improve the world. That is cool.”

Michael Organ: ”We’ll cover purpose-driven waste processing — the next frontier in sustainability — on this episode of Meaningful Impact.”

Sedron Technologies

Michael Organ: ”How many employees does Sedron have now and how many employees do you anticipate Sedron having a few years from now?”

Stanley Janicki: ”We have nearly 300 employees today. We’re planning on hiring hundreds of people over the next few years to support the incredible growth that we have coming forward.”

Michael Organ: ”Wow.”

Stanley Janicki: ”We are a unique company in that not only do we develop the technology, the engineering, the electronics, the process controls, the thermodynamics, (and) finite element analysis — all of this work — we also manufacture the technology.

So we have to build the factories that we build the technology in. But then we (also) deploy the technology under a Design, Build, Own, Operate and Maintain model —  ‘DBOOM’.

What that requires now is we need to have a team that can raise capital, that can raise funding. And teams that operate these sites.

So, for example, our facilities up in Wisconsin or in Indiana, we have the people — boots on the ground in those respective states — that actually operate them.”

VARCOR

Michael Organ: ”Your primary waste processing technology is called Varcor. I’m a little squeamish, so please be gentle on me. What flows into Varcor — and once the processing is done — what comes out of Vacor?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Varcor is actually an acronym. It stands for VApor Recompression with COncentration and Recovery. So what goes into the Varcor? I’ll give two examples:

• One of them is on the human waste side, When you flush your toilet, it goes down the drain; goes to the wastewater plant. The wastewater plant has some gravity (things that basically thicken that product up) and eventually they end up with a slurry or a cake. Something that looks about like Jello. That is what they send to us. It’s a very nasty thing. We take that and we turn it into three products:
  • Beautiful crystal-clear water
  • Dehydrated solids that are dry
  • a nitrogen fertilizer

So that’s what we do on the municipal side.

• It’s very similar on the dairy side, but the difference is those two byproducts are certified organic — the dry solid fertilizer and the liquid nitrogen fertilizer.”

Michael Organ: ”On your website, when I looked at the solids, which you refer to as dried Class A biosolids, they kind of look like garden soil. And they’re shown being handled with ungloved hands. How safe is that?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Yeah. So a Class A biosolid — in order to be a Class A biosolid; this is a regulated thing by the EPA 503 biosolids regulations — you have to reach pathogen destruction levels and vector attraction levels.

Vector attraction is basically the propensity for it to attract nasty things later on, in the future: flies, maggots, that kind of stuff. So, once you get to those levels, it is a pathogen-free product and it has low vector-attraction levels. So, it’s safe to go in your garden or wherever else.

The issue is that we believe that PFAS forever chemicals are a problem. So, our plan in the long run is to use that as a fuel to displace the use of coal, because it would have gone onto the field, or somewhere, and turned into carbon dioxide anyways. Or, gone into the river and caused the algae bloom or whatever.

Whereas if you can use it and displace coal or some other carbon-intensive fuel, you’re getting a 2-for-1: You’re saving an environmental problem and you’re avoiding using carbon-intensive processes.”

Michael Organ: ”Which, I think, becomes even more impressive when you consider the difference in safety and disposal of biosolids yielded by Varcor processing versus the Class B biosolids yielded by currently-conventional waste processing.”

Stanley Janicki: ”That’s correct.”

Class B Biosolids

Michael Organ: ”Can you tell me a little bit about what happens in today’s case without your technology with Class B biosolids?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Yeah, absolutely. So, Class B biosolids: They have to get treated to a certain standard, but they still have substantial pathogens. They still have vector-attraction issues. There’s a lot of problems to them.

So, there’s really two places that Class B biosolids end up. One of them is land application, when they go on a field. The issue is that they’re going to have the forever chemicals in them (and) on the field. They’re going to have the pathogens on the field. And, because they’re wet, they have the ability to run-off into the river.”

Michael Organ: ”Oh.”

Stanley Janicki: “The other problem with Class B biosolids is because they’re really kind of nasty to deal with, people get rid of them. It’s common that they get over-applied onto fields. You get the nutrient run-off. The other issue is that they go on a landfill.

“Immediately they start producing tremendous volumes of methane. Methane is 80 times worse than carbon dioxide from a greenhouse gas standpoint. So, you’re in a rock and a hard spot, where:

• If you put them on the field, it’s a problem.
• If you put them in a landfill, it’s a problem.

If you’re a municipality today, you have a bunch of bad options that are all expensive. And now we’re coming out and we’re offering an opportunity that’s far less expensive than those two options, which I think is truly exciting that we’re less expensive than just dumping (manure) on a field or in a landfill.”

Michael Organ: “As of today, 2025, what percentage of liquid waste is processed into Class A biosolids versus the much less desirable Class B biosolids?”

Stanley Janicki: “It’s something like:

• half the biosolids in the US are land applied as Class B
• twenty-five percent are landfilled
• twenty-five percent, approximately, are composted or turned into Class A via conventional methods

There are other ways you could do it with a conventional dryer and these other things. The problem is that those methods are very expensive and very carbon intensive.

What’s unique about our technology is the small amount of energy it uses.”

Byproducts of Poop

Michael Organ: “I guess you could say that Varcor produces — very cost efficiently compared to alternatives — byproducts of poop that become valuable. So, I’m wondering who owns the dried Class A biosolids that Varcor produces and what do they do with them?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Sedron. We make this Class A product; we want to do something constructive with it. We feel that the best place to send that product is fuel.

It has the same energy as coal. Making a product in a carbon-negative way that has the same energy of coal is incredible.

Michael Organ: ”So, if I’m a farmer and I’ve got hundreds of cows producing manure, you take the manure and process it into valuable stuff. And do not pay a royalty to the farmer. So, what’s in it for the farmer, then, is that you have disposed of the liquid waste for less money than it would have cost him had that farmer used an alternative technology? Is that fair to say?”

Stanley Janicki: ”You’ve nailed it. If you’re a dairy farm, your number one cost center, aside from feed for your animals and labor, is: manure management — (costing) potentially millions of dollars a year to take the manure, pump it out of the lagoon, and dump it on the fields.”

Manure Lagoons

Michael Organ: ”I had never heard of that before. What is a manure lagoon? It sounds terrible.”

Stanley Janicki: ”So when a cow goes to the bathroom, what happens?

Here’s the problem, in places like Wisconsin: Four months of the year, five months of year in Wisconsin, you can’t really do anything to your fields, because they’re frozen solid.

So, what do they have to do with the manure? They have to store it somewhere. So, they have what’s called a manure lagoon, which I kid you not, is a massive, massive pond where they just pour the manure and they fill it up. These ponds are hundreds of millions of gallons of manure that will sit there for months on end. And as you can imagine, when that happens, you’re getting nitrogen pollution. You’re getting all sorts of issues that come out of that: methane that comes out, nitrous oxide…”

Michael Organ: ”I had no idea.”

Stanley Janicki: ”…and ammonia evaporates out of that lagoon. Over 10,000 people a year die from ammonia-derived lung problems in the U.S. (rural communities).”

Michael Organ: ”What is the risk to the freshwater supply if flooding occurs and the manure lagoon gets into water that’s used for water supply?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Once you’ve concentrated and stored that much volume of something that nasty, any sort of mistake can be a real, real problem. Basically, 200 million gallons of ticking time bomb. You’ll see examples of this. A quick Google search of manure lagoon spills can show all sorts of examples of this happening. But there’s no better way to deal with it now, except for the Varcor.

So instead of going into the lagoon, you go right to a Varcor. And that clean water you can irrigate with it, you can discharge into the lake. You can do whatever because it is clean. You’ve concentrated your fertilizer so much, you can store them throughout the winter and not have those negative impacts.”

Stanley Janicki: ”But even bigger is that when you apply liquid dairy manure to the field, you have to immediately till it, break the sod open, and expose the carbonaceous soil to the environment. When that happens, though, you convert the carbon into carbon dioxide. You oxidize it. You create methane. You create greenhouse gas emissions.

If you were to go back 10,000 years ago, (there was) 10 feet of topsoil in the Midwest. Today, it’s inches of topsoil. And the reason is that when you plow it, you continue to oxidize that soil. By not having liquid manure anymore, you can switch to what’s called no-till farming. This is back to the way it was when it was prairies 10,000 years ago. And what this does is you never break open the soil. What you do is you just cut the next crop, plant through it, and let it grow out. You’ll build up that topsoil.

So now, instead of that field having a negative impact on greenhouse gas emissions every year, you bank carbon into that soil every year.

That’s going to be transformational as we start to roll this out. At our project in Indiana, tens of thousands of acres are going to convert to no-till farming because of what we’re doing.”

Organic Farming Yields

Stanley Janicki: ”Here’s the other thing that’s interesting. When you apply biosolids, or cow manure for that matter, the nutrients in it are the nutrients in it. But they’re not necessarily the ratio of nutrients that crops need.

Corn, for example, needs a ton of nitrogen. Alfalfa needs a ton of phosphorus. You get what you get. So imagine if you always had salt and pepper mixed together. It would never be seasoned quite right. Whereas, what we do: Now the farm can precision-apply those. Because we separate that nitrogen fertilizer from the phosphorus and the solid product, we end up giving other farmers the ability to precision-apply fertilizers. As we start to produce these really unique, transformational, plant-available fertilizers, we’re going to transform organic agriculture.

Your average organic crop in the US. has a 30% yield gap per acre to a conventional crop. The number one driver of that is a lack of plant-available nitrogen fertilizers. Imagine the impact when you get 30% more organic crop per acre. You’re solving environmental pollution from dairy farms at less cost — and you’re increasing availability and access to organic foods. That’s pretty cool.”

Michael Organ: ”That is cool. Can you paint a visual picture for us of what this nitrogen looks like?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Yeah, it’s ammoniacal nitrogen and it’s liquid. It looks about like Scotch.”

Sanitized Water

Michael Organ: ”By volume, I imagine that the largest byproduct of Varcor waste treatment is another liquid, which would be sanitized water.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Clean water. Yep.”

Michael Organ: ”What typically happens to that water?”

Stanley Janicki: ”It depends on the farm and what their needs are. At the project we’re working on in Indiana — Northwestern Indiana — (there’s) 20,000 cows (which pass-through) approximately 250 million gallons of this every year.”

Michael Organ: ”250 million gallons of water is produced?”

Stanley Janicki: ”They use it as irrigation water.”

Michael Organ: ”Wow.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Right, real volumes. And it’s beautiful, crystal clear.”

Michael Organ: ”From 20,000 cows.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Twenty thousand cows is a big farm too. They irrigate with (the sanitized water) and they avoid having to use well water. So that’s another savings for them, as it’s expensive to run wells. And, they don’t have to drain the aquifer. It’s a huge deal for them.”

Michael Organ: ”Without further treatment beyond whatever Varcor does, would that former poop water be safe to drink?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Oh, absolutely.”

Michael Organ: ”Listeners may remember when Bill Gates demonstrated his confidence in this type of waste treatment technology by drinking reclaimed poop water during an interview on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. As one of the world’s richest people, Bill Gates could have afforded Evian. So what was he trying to accomplish by drinking former poop water on TV?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Really, it was around destigmatization. Real quick: We formerly were called Janicki Bioenergy and we developed that technology for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. We developed that system; it went to Africa. They were great to work with. Really loved working with them.”

Michael Organ: ”Let’s talk about toilet water for a second because there’s a lot of things that go into a toilet other than what it’s intended for, ranging from things like goldfish to expired drugs to lost contact lenses. Even without foreign objects, fecal matter does transport pathogens, which can transmit contagious diseases. So, after Varcor treatment, where does all the undesirable stuff go?”

Stanley Janicki: ”We’re going to kill all the pathogens, in the Varcor. But things like the forever chemicals, the pharmaceuticals, the antibiotics, there’s a wide range of things that at the temperatures we’re at (that) we’re not going to destroy.”

Sedron Power Plants

Stanley Janicki: ”We take those and we run them into our power plant. So, we basically concentrate it all into a coal replacement, You run that into a power plant. And you take that and heat it up to 1,000 centigrade for 2-1/2 seconds. You will breakdown every pharmaceutical. You’ll breakdown forever chemicals. They’re not forever at 1,000 centigrade. They last about two seconds. You break them all apart and then you end up with an inert ash and green electricity.”

Michael Organ: ”So my former goldfish bubbles becomes ash for fuel.”

Stanley Janicki: ”The volatiles in your goldfish — meaning things that are carbon, things that will combust — will go into making electricity. And the ash will remain as the ash.”

Michael Organ: ”Huh. Does the Varcor system offer advantages over conventional waste processing in the amount, safety, or disposal of Bubbles? Or do they both use the same very high heat and handle the non-organic stuff as well?”

Stanley Janicki: ”The real magic of the Varcor is it can make a dry biosolid with 10 times less energy than a conventional method. So, when you do that, your operating cost is 10 times less. When you do that, you now have money to run a green electricity power plant.

Everyone wants to be an environmentalist. If you can make the financial case for being an environmentalist that’s easier than the status quo — if you are less expensive — every single person in the world would be an environmentalist. All the push back is gone. The only time you get pushback is when things get more expensive.”

Municipal Waste Processing

Michael Organ: ”Let’s focus now on municipal sewage processing. There are a lot more people in this world than cows: 8 billion people versus 1.5 billion cows. So, beyond cow manure, applying Varcor technology to municipal sewage is another opportunity to make a difference, correct?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Correct.”

Michael Organ: ”What are the distinct advantages of Varcor technology for municipalities that we haven’t yet discussed as benefits for farms?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Yeah, so if we talk about a municipality: What does a municipality want to do? They want to treat the waste to a sufficient level. And they want to do it at a price that’s effective for their citizens. Nobody wants to overly pay for these things.

(Sedron) can provide a lower cost than they’re paying now for biosolids processing. And then the biosolids — instead of going into the environment where they would cause nutrient pollution, it would have created greenhouse gas emissions, it would have ammonia pollution — we capture them. We create carbon negative ammonia and displace fossil-fuel derived ammonia. And then we go take the dry solids in a power plant, produce renewable electricity, and destroy the forever chemicals, the pharmaceuticals, all of those nasties. And then there’s no nutrient pollution.

So think of this: We’ll take biosolids in Florida. We’ll take them into our Varcor and then into a power plant. The power plant will run the Varcor and sell excess electricity that’s carbon negative.

So we take this nasty thing, and then we sell carbon negative electricity. That is going to be the first biosolids plant of its kind in the world that can do that.

When we finish our facility in Florida, millions of people… their waste will do good. It’s not ‘waste’ (anymore). We’re not wasting it. ‘Waste’ all-of-the-sudden now becomes a misnomer. It’s not the right term for it.

And I kid you not: What they’re doing right now in South Florida is they’re putting their biosolids and taking it to Alabama. There’s 9 million people in South Florida. Those biosolids have to go somewhere. They’re going to North Florida, they’re going to Alabama, they’re going to Georgia. They’re going all over the southeast. That is expensive to move biosolids that far, because remember that biosolids are 85-90% water, so they’re mostly just trucking water across this massive state. We can solve that problem.”

Sedron’s Resilience

Michael Organ: ”To the extent that you’re comfortable talking about it publicly, how much money has Sedron raised so far from investors?”

Stanley Janicki: ”It’s not public, but it’s on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars.”

Michael Organ: ”In the process of raising those hundreds of millions of dollars, I imagine that potential investors have told you ‘No’ far more than ‘Yes’. And perhaps especially daunting: those No’s have probably come from some very smart people.”

Stanley Janicki: ”I’ve received hundreds, probably thousands, of No’s and very few ‘Yeses’.”

Michael Organ: ”Anything worth doing attracts people who will give you really good reasons for not doing it. And yet, good only happens when the Cause Champion does it anyway.”

Stanley Janicki: ”I’ll walk you through the real major pushbacks that we’ve gotten in the past. People knew what we were doing was technically possible, but it’s like’:

• Were we the right people to be able to get it done?
• Could we get the engineering right?
• Could we get the metallurgy right?
• Could we get the welding right?
• Could we get the controls right?
• Could we get the software right?
• Could we get the contracts right?
• Could we raise the money?
• Could we raise the bonds?

All these things you need to have technical expertise in, in so many different fields, to be able to get all that done. And that’s really been the biggest pushback.”

Michael Organ: ”But you persevered anyway. Why?”

Stanley Janicki: ”There are not very many things you can do where, within five years, you could be impacting nation-state populations. That is cool. And from an impact standpoint, water and wastewater is a trillion dollar business worldwide. There are very few things with that impact.”

Michael Organ: ”Trillion with a ‘T’?”

Stanley Janicki: ”With a T. Think about it this way: How many people use a phone every day? A lot.

How many people go to the bathroom every day?”

Michael Organ: ”More.”

Stanley Janicki: ”How many people drink water every day?”

Michael Organ: ”Everyone.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Right. How many people eat food every day?

We have a patented, scalable, revolutionary technology with positive impact that’s less expensive than what people are doing today. That’s why it’s worth doing.”

Sedron’s Vision

Michael Organ: ”Huge plants. Huge investments. Based on your sales pipeline (and) your expansion plans, what do you hope Sedron’s real-world societal impact will be 5 years from now, 10 years from now?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Let me give you a number. Our facility in Florida will process the waste from two-and-a-half million people. And that’s one single plant. Two-and-a-half million people’s waste converted into green electricity, renewable nitrogen fertilizer, and beautiful crystal-clear water. And that’s one plant.

So over 10 years, we build two or three plants a year, (we’re) talking about tens of millions of people’s biosolids, the waste that they produce. Instead of having this incredible negative impact to the environment, (it will) create positive impacts with carbon-negative electricity and carbon-negative fertilizer.

And the same thing on the cow side. It can be just as big.”

Sedron’s R&D Projects

Michael Organ: ”You’ve also got a couple of R&D projects active. What are you studying?”

Stanley Janicki: ”We’re currently focused on dairy and municipal. But there are so many other negative waste streams.

You look at liquor waste. We do want to get an alcohol business and maybe make some beer and call it ‘Shiddy Beer’ with two D’s.”

Michael Organ: ”That would definitely make your point.”

Stanley Janicki: ”If you make a gallon of liquor, you’re making 30 gallons of wastewater. And that wastewater that they’re producing is very nasty stuff. These are very low pH, very difficult to deal with products, producing tremendous volumes of these waste streams.

We’re testing a wide range of other waste streams to say: Now that we have those two verticals, where do we go next? Where else can we provide a cost that is less and an environmental outcome that is better?”

Michael Organ: ”A cost that is less and an environmental outcome that is better, at scale.”

Stanley Janicki: ”We’re not going to go after something that’s like, hey, here’s a little tiny project. We want to be able to fundamentally change the outcome of greenhouse gases and nutrient pollution in the U.S. And then, of course, the world after that.”

‘Near Death’ Experience

Michael Organ: ”Along the way, has Sedron had any near-death experiences or, at least, moments where your faith was tested?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Definitely during the Silicon Valley banking crisis in 2022. There was no money for anything for a brief period of time.

There’s a certain level of personal stress when you need to raise money for a company. Because 300 people losing their job on the same day, that you know and care about: That would be very rough.”

Stanley Janicki

Michael Organ: ”After graduating from college with a degree in computer engineering, you began your career as a software engineer at Cisco. That sounds like a pretty good gig. So, why did you make the leap to Sedron in 2018, before the company had earned its first dollar?”

Stanley Janicki: ”The software industry, at least what I was doing at Cisco, was fun. I enjoyed it. It was very, very good job. But for me, it didn’t have the impact that I wanted.

And when you joined a startup before it’s making any money, there’s also a personal financial aspect. It would be a lie to say that there wasn’t some hope that there’d be some payout eventually.”

Michael Organ: ”Sure.”

Stanley Janicki: ”But doing something impactful: That mattered to me personally.”

Michael Organ: ”A co-founder of your former company, Sandy Lerner, has been open about the personal toll of building and leading Cisco. If you knew in 2018 how hard it would be on your personal life to get Varcor to this point, and that the battle continues, would you have done it?”

Stanley Janicki: ”I don’t think words could convey the personal angst that it’s taken. I probably still would have. I wouldn’t be where I am if I hadn’t gone through that.”

Michael Organ: ”I think a lot of cause champions can relate to that. When we return, I’ll ask Stanley the big question.”

Stanley Janicki is a “Capitalist Environmentalist”

Michael Organ: ”Would you describe yourself primarily as an environmentalist who has found a way to raise money to scale your sustainability goals? Or are you primarily a profit-oriented entrepreneur who discovered that an environmentally-friendly technology just so happened to be the best way to maximize your return on investment?”

Stanley Janicki: ”Let me put it this way. If you can have an entity that has an environmental impact that makes money, every day that environmental impact can be bigger. So I would say I’m equally capitalist and environmentalist, because you really can’t have one without the other, in the way I view it. Because if you can make money being an environmentalist, (then) ‘environmentalist’ is not a pejorative term anymore. You could be a capitalist environmentalist.”

Michael Organ: ”I think what you’re saying is that it’s not an either/or… that your attraction is the combination of the two.”

Stanley Janicki: “Exactly. Being able to do them both at the same time is pretty cool.”

Michael Organ: ”Is the point.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Yeah, that’s exactly the point.”

Michael Organ: ”One of the reasons that I was so excited to get the opportunity to interview you is because the mission of Meaningful Impact is to promote mutually-beneficial corporate citizenship. Sedron is a beautiful example.”

Stanley Janicki: ”Thank you. The questions you put together and the research you’ve done have been phenomenal, so I appreciate it. And I really enjoyed our time together today. This was great.”